I currently am using a s3 sword for hemo. Hemo IMHO is meant to be played with a strong MH instead of a dagger. There is also a great build if u don’t want to do mutilate. Its something like 21/0/40 where you give up ShS for Coldblood. It’s a pretty deadly build as well.

You don’t want to play ShS with daggers just because it kills the burst. You have good openers but thats about it. Subt is meant to be a sustained (white damage) build. Meaning less finishers and more hits where you use 1 or 2 cp points for SnD. With mutilate u will be cycling a lot more finishers because of seal fate. (btw stacking crit is very good idea with daggers since most dagger builds require a lotta crit.) In season 2 when I was muti, my unbuffed crit was 36% (~50% during combat) in full pvp gear, which is excellent for daggers.

Hope any of this helps. Drop me a note if you have any rogue questions. Don’t forget about Cerias and Doomilas as well… they are great rogues. Oh and Ziss from pvpsource.com has excellent rogue advice to give out. Oh my!! and Valenna ofcourse

If you enjoy playing daggers, I would highly recommend a mutilate build. If you want to pvp mostly then spec 20 in subt or 20 in combat if you pve a little.

However there are some good pointers in some of the comments. I.E s1 (2) piece resil bonus is def a good idea.

From my experience mutilate is THE best dagger build. I played my rogue with mutilate for 2+something years REFUSING to jump onto the HARP bandwagon. I too have the same concept of a rogue as well…poke poke from the back. Since I picked up s3 recently I am trying shadowstep, and it’s been treating me very well in arena…even with the new muti talent boost I prefer ShS because it’s a lot more fun now, however I will go back to Muti when I pick up s3 MH dagger.

For the love of god please do not spec combat daggers (at least for pvp).

And yes…I’ll break stealth to help an ally, or on Talonis when I’m charging RH, I’ll stop and take out a caster or rogue who is harassing a teammate.

It’s really strange: For YEARS, I hated/avoided dying in MMOs. I think Asheron’s Call conditioned me, since there was a fairly sizable death penalty. And corpse runs in AC generally sucked.

But in WoW, I’ve gotten past that hangup, and in BGs, I find no disgrace (but maybe some disgust) in having a lot of deaths: For the most part, it means I’ve been doing what I entered the BG to do.

At any rate, both guys now have shopping lists for PvP sets.

OHHH…lol…and most importantly, I respecced Falken to a Mutilate build…and oh-em-gee, is he dealing some damage now!! Easily twice, and probably 3x what I was doing last weekend.

Also it depends on if you are more of a team player. Do you break stealth to help a flag carrier or capture a tower, waste a stun to save someone else? Even with the best resilience and stamina gear you will still get owned more than those ignoring the team objectives. It’s rarely fun to be the sacrificial lamb but you get the satisfaction of winning, along with honor and gear faster. Plus you get more quality time with the spirit healers.

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Since I now have both of the PvP daggers, I’m very reluctant to switch out to sword or mace, so I’ll just eat the reduced damage vs. plate-wearers.

Although I’ve found I do okay against Pallys…it’s rather strange; maybe I just get the sucky pallys?

But I’ll definitely review my talents, and see how to improve that. Realize when I picked up this spec, I was just starting to do PvP, and hadn’t really played either of my rogues in quite awhile.

Thanks again for the insights!

I can’t check your armory, or your build at work, but I think if you are going with 17/0/44 you are missing out on some key talents needed for daggers. You definitely need to fill all the talent points which give bonuses to backstab and ambush if you use daggers.

A build like 10/0/51 will give you huge ambush crits and decent backstabs even against high resilience characters. I can post a build for you when I get home if you want. You also get to keep the mobility and “extreme fun” of shadow step. The buffs you get with Dirty Deeds and Shadowstep when you ambush a clothy low on health are huge.

Even on high resilience cloth targets, 3.5-5k+ ambush crits are not unusual. Against plate wearers though, you may as well be hitting them with toothpicks. One option is to take Hemo in a 10/0/51 build and switch to a mace or sword when you face plate wearers.

17/0/44 is really optimal with swords or maces. But spamming Hemo can be so boring, and just doesn’t feel roguish enough, though I am keeping that specc for now…

Maybe some of the tips I posted on my site will help with the tactics… good luck and keep at it! Rogues are a lot of fun to pvp with!

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