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		<title>By: Kestrel</title>
		<link>http://kestrelsaerie.com/2009/01/naxx25-good-bad-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-2387</link>
		<dc:creator>Kestrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm...good idea on Loatheb: I should throw out a few renews just before I start precasting my PoH. Will have to keep that in mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230;good idea on Loatheb: I should throw out a few renews just before I start precasting my PoH. Will have to keep that in mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Kestrel</title>
		<link>http://kestrelsaerie.com/2009/01/naxx25-good-bad-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-2386</link>
		<dc:creator>Kestrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heya Adlib :) Wow...I was thinking no one on Kul Tiras could read! *grin*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heya Adlib <img src='http://kestrelsaerie.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Wow&#8230;I was thinking no one on Kul Tiras could read! *grin*</p>
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		<title>By: Kestrel</title>
		<link>http://kestrelsaerie.com/2009/01/naxx25-good-bad-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-2385</link>
		<dc:creator>Kestrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those are some excellent points, Ragar -- thanks! I especially like the totem idea for Heigan. Of course, people just paying attention would help a lot, too. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those are some excellent points, Ragar &#8212; thanks! I especially like the totem idea for Heigan. Of course, people just paying attention would help a lot, too. <img src='http://kestrelsaerie.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ragar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ragar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m used to tanking in Naxx so I can&#039;t offer much insight into the healing, but I can make a suggestion to help the MT and melee stay in range while doing the Heigan dance.  If you&#039;ve got an enhancement shaman in the group, have him drop a totem in each of the four zones as they do the first pass.  The raid might lose some benefit from the totems due to range, but it helps keep everyone grouped up, especially for phase 2 when the whole raid has to group up in section 1.

As for Patchwerk, the comment above about swapping tank order does help.  It may not seem like much, but having the normal MT eat Hateful Strikes is usually easier to heal due to better mitigation and they&#039;ll usually have a bit more of a health buffer over the rest of the raid to keep Hatefuls focused on them.  You can also tell the non-OT DPS to take a dip in the slime to drop their health low enough they should never get a Hateful (no need to heal them since it&#039;s all MT and OT damage).

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Ragar last blogged about &lt;a href=&quot;http://dragonchewtoy.blogspot.com/2009/01/secrets-of-stormchop-are-finally-mine.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The secrets of the Stormchop are finally mine!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m used to tanking in Naxx so I can&#8217;t offer much insight into the healing, but I can make a suggestion to help the MT and melee stay in range while doing the Heigan dance.  If you&#8217;ve got an enhancement shaman in the group, have him drop a totem in each of the four zones as they do the first pass.  The raid might lose some benefit from the totems due to range, but it helps keep everyone grouped up, especially for phase 2 when the whole raid has to group up in section 1.</p>
<p>As for Patchwerk, the comment above about swapping tank order does help.  It may not seem like much, but having the normal MT eat Hateful Strikes is usually easier to heal due to better mitigation and they&#8217;ll usually have a bit more of a health buffer over the rest of the raid to keep Hatefuls focused on them.  You can also tell the non-OT DPS to take a dip in the slime to drop their health low enough they should never get a Hateful (no need to heal them since it&#8217;s all MT and OT damage).</p>
<p><abbr><em>Ragar last blogged about <a href="http://dragonchewtoy.blogspot.com/2009/01/secrets-of-stormchop-are-finally-mine.html" rel="nofollow">The secrets of the Stormchop are finally mine!</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Adlib</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adlib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>/Wave!  I&#039;m on Kul Tiras too, and I just found your blog via the Misery blog.  I knew I recognized the guild name and had to check to see which server you were on to make sure it was the right one.  :)  I&#039;m not a healer, but I like most WoW blogs.  Helps me understand my fellow raiders a little better.  

And Patchwerk is a bitch for sure.  Getting the coordination right probably wipes us at least twice every time we get to him.  

-Adlib of The Phoenix</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>/Wave!  I&#8217;m on Kul Tiras too, and I just found your blog via the Misery blog.  I knew I recognized the guild name and had to check to see which server you were on to make sure it was the right one.  <img src='http://kestrelsaerie.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   I&#8217;m not a healer, but I like most WoW blogs.  Helps me understand my fellow raiders a little better.  </p>
<p>And Patchwerk is a bitch for sure.  Getting the coordination right probably wipes us at least twice every time we get to him.  </p>
<p>-Adlib of The Phoenix</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Second that on patchwork.  It&#039;s an insane healing check.  You have to survive 3-4 min of nothing but big heals spamming.  As a resto druid, i will start off with all my HOTs, and just spam HT glyphed and talented.  You only have to focus on one guy, have 2-3 healers per tank and you&#039;ll be okay.  Probably just one on the MT.  Have your most geared tank be your OT, and have worst gear be MT.  

On Loath, good idea bout doing something while not healing.  I usually just twiddle my thumbs.    The other thing is that it&#039;s not that you can&#039;t heal out 17 out of 20 seconds, is that no healingn occurs during those 17 seconds.  You can cast stuff like wild growth a bit early, get ac ouple of LBs rolling, and do a glyphed HT or Swiftmend.  I usually do WG a few second before, right at I&#039;ll spam a bunch of HT for those who need it.  There&#039;s a bunch you can do, ie you can cast rejuv on like 10 ppl, LB so that it blooms during the 3s window, tranqulity, swiftmend, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Second that on patchwork.  It&#8217;s an insane healing check.  You have to survive 3-4 min of nothing but big heals spamming.  As a resto druid, i will start off with all my HOTs, and just spam HT glyphed and talented.  You only have to focus on one guy, have 2-3 healers per tank and you&#8217;ll be okay.  Probably just one on the MT.  Have your most geared tank be your OT, and have worst gear be MT.  </p>
<p>On Loath, good idea bout doing something while not healing.  I usually just twiddle my thumbs.    The other thing is that it&#8217;s not that you can&#8217;t heal out 17 out of 20 seconds, is that no healingn occurs during those 17 seconds.  You can cast stuff like wild growth a bit early, get ac ouple of LBs rolling, and do a glyphed HT or Swiftmend.  I usually do WG a few second before, right at I&#8217;ll spam a bunch of HT for those who need it.  There&#8217;s a bunch you can do, ie you can cast rejuv on like 10 ppl, LB so that it blooms during the 3s window, tranqulity, swiftmend, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Karthis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karthis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm... we always run with 7 healers for all wings.  4-5 seems dangerously low.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Karthis&#180;s last blog post: &lt;a href=&quot;http://teethandclaws.blogspot.com/2009/01/druid-tanking-overview-wotlk.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Druid Tanking: Overview (WotLK)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; we always run with 7 healers for all wings.  4-5 seems dangerously low.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Karthis&#180;s last blog post: <a href="http://teethandclaws.blogspot.com/2009/01/druid-tanking-overview-wotlk.html" rel="nofollow">Druid Tanking: Overview (WotLK)</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Kestrel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kestrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We didn&#039;t really research Patchwerk for 25-man Naxx; even a little bit of checking would have shown us we were way light on heals. Thanks for the suggestion re: Healadin. Ours may have been beaconing the MT and one OT, but I can see the wisdom in the two OTs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We didn&#8217;t really research Patchwerk for 25-man Naxx; even a little bit of checking would have shown us we were way light on heals. Thanks for the suggestion re: Healadin. Ours may have been beaconing the MT and one OT, but I can see the wisdom in the two OTs.</p>
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		<title>By: Kestrel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kestrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Perrin...that&#039;s some VERY useful info! Appreciate the tips. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Perrin&#8230;that&#8217;s some VERY useful info! Appreciate the tips. <img src='http://kestrelsaerie.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Andris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, you&#039;ll definitely need more healers for Patchwerk -- he&#039;s a major tank/healer DPS check.  Holy Paladins are amazing here with Beacon of Light to crossheal the two OTs.

In general, the OTs on Patchwerk tend to take more, and more spiky, damage than the MT; on plate, his Hateful Strikes hit for around 21k or so.  The targeting mechanism they seem to use is to select between the 2nd and 3rd player on the aggro list, whichever has the higher health.  (In 10-man it&#039;s always the second on the list.)

Congrats on the Plague wing; Poison Cleansing totems are quite nice for Heigan, as well as a lot of the other bosses, if you can get them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, you&#8217;ll definitely need more healers for Patchwerk &#8212; he&#8217;s a major tank/healer DPS check.  Holy Paladins are amazing here with Beacon of Light to crossheal the two OTs.</p>
<p>In general, the OTs on Patchwerk tend to take more, and more spiky, damage than the MT; on plate, his Hateful Strikes hit for around 21k or so.  The targeting mechanism they seem to use is to select between the 2nd and 3rd player on the aggro list, whichever has the higher health.  (In 10-man it&#8217;s always the second on the list.)</p>
<p>Congrats on the Plague wing; Poison Cleansing totems are quite nice for Heigan, as well as a lot of the other bosses, if you can get them.</p>
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