Preemptive Moderation: Biting the Hand That Feeds You

This isn’t exactly the post I intended to write after being away for a couple weeks, but since I still don’t know what that post would be, this will have to suffice.

My Frustration

A few minutes ago, I posted attempted to post a comment to a blog I read regularly. It’s a very popular blog, and with good reason: The writing is solid, the news is current, and the content is varied. And until very recently, commenters were welcomed. I’m not sure when it changed, but my attempted comment was greeted with “This comment is awaiting moderation” (or words to that effect).1

What “Blog” Means to Me

My concept of a blog is of a vehicle for communication—two-way communication—between myself and my audience. Anything I put between myself and my readers that in any way inhibits or delays the free interchange of ideas, by its very existence, narrows the opportunity for continuing such intercourse. So at Kestrel’s Aerie, you won’t find captchas, or math problems, or any aggressive preemptive moderation.2

I view anti-spam measures in a completely different light than I do anti-troll measures. I employ the first, but not the second, and I do both as a service to you, my audience. If someone wants to come here and be a complete asshat, fine. The probability of a loyal reader (or two or three) taking such a troll to task before I can respond are high. Fortunately, the Aerie has been troll-free since its inception; however, I’m experienced enough in the ways of the Internet to know it’s only a matter of time before that changes. I’m not concerned, though: After all, I have the ultimate defense against trolls. It’s the “Delete comment” button, and I am trained in its use.

“Wait a sec, Kes! That’s…[insert horrified gasp]…censorship!” Why yes…yes it is! After all, this blog is my property, and I have the right to defend it as I see fit. Look at it this way: I own a home. I have the choice of erecting a fence (and there are several styles of fencing available to me) to keep you from seeing my well-maintained landscape (and to keep your dog off the lawn), or I can simply clean up the crap if you let your dog use my lawn as an outhouse. Pretty much, I trust you to police your dog.

What’s Preemptive Moderation?

Of course, there are different kinds of preemptive moderation, and it can reasonably be argued some are worse than others. For instance, captchas simply make you go a bit out of your way to post your comment (a thousand blessings on each and every Blogspot blogger who has disabled its onerous captcha option!). On the other hand, there are other blogs that erect a huge stone wall between you and the blog’s comment threads in the form of active moderation of all comments before they appear. Strangely enough, it seems more large blogs, with scores or hundreds of comments each week, do this more than smaller blogs. A case in point, of course, is the blog on which I commented earlier today.3 I doubt I’m alone in thinking my future comments there will probably be considerably fewer in number than in the past.

So why do bloggers throw up these roadblocks? I’m sure part of it stems from experiences with trolls, or comments that turned into arguments, which in turn got fairly nasty. Clearly, one way to avoid such unpleasantness is to stop such comments before they appear. But how does this differ from my practice4 of editing or removing offensive material? In law, this is akin to “prior restraint,”5 which is an attempt by a government entity to disallow or prevent expression of thought before publication.

What’s the Cost?

You may be thinking this all sounds reasonable (especially if you write a blog that employs such methods! ), but consider this: How much time do you think a blogger spends going through every single comment, trying to decide if it’s spam, or troll-bait, or an advertisement (which, in my view, is spam by another name)? Wouldn’t it make more sense if the same blogger could reduce that time to less than one percent of the time previously spent? It certainly does to me!

There are 1,700+ comments posted on this site. I would guess I’ve had to actually review perhaps 300 comments (and that guess is on the high side) to determine that yes, it really is spam or no, it was a false positive. And of those 300, the false positives (i.e., comments flagged as spam which were in fact legitimate) number perhaps 30. By the same token, less than 30 comments have actually posted to this site that shouldn’t have been (spammers are getting more creative!). On the other hand, Bad Behavior alone blocks well over 500 spam comments—every single week!

Clearly, I expend a lot less time and energy dealing with comments than someone who preemptively moderates. That gives me more time to do other things—such as write walls of text!

The other price you might be paying is one of credibility: Who’s to say what comments are not seeing the light of day? Of course, as I stated above, that’s certainly your right. On the other hand, it does bring into question just how self-serving your comment threads might be. And just to be clear, I am NOT ascribing any such motive to anyone: I get that preemptive moderation is an anti-troll measure, and no one detests trolls more than I. However, others may not be so understanding.

Where’s the Beef?

Pulling this all together, my primary issue with preemptive moderation is, at the very least, it inhibits the free, open, and timely interchange of ideas between bloggers and their readers. The best and biggest blogs to which I subscribe require no more than I do, in order to comment. Even the biggest and best WoW blogs (not the same as the blogs in the preceding sentence) should follow suit.6

  1. And no, the blog to which I refer is not Big Red Kitty’s; many have made suggestions on how he can resolve his issues, but that’s another story, and not the one I’m here to tell.
  2. In the interest of full disclosure, if your comment contains more than a couple URLs or matches common spam “signatures,” then chances are it won’t show up. In the former case, you may see a notation that it’s being held for review; in the later, it’ll simply sit in my site’s spam folder. The WordPress plugins Akismet and Bad Behavior are responsible for this, and are installed for your protection as well as mine.
  3. Err…maybe I commented; I may never know.
  4. Well, it will be my practice, if I ever have to employ it.
  5. I am not a lawyer! and while I try not to rely on Wikipedia overmuch, the reasonable alternative citations for prior restraint demanded more legal expertise than I want to subject you.
  6. One last cheap shot: WoW Insider, if you’re going to require registration and logging in to comment, then at least moderate the trolls a little bit. There is no prize for emulating the official forums.
 

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16 Responses to Preemptive Moderation: Biting the Hand That Feeds You
  1. Rilgon Arcsinh
    March 20, 2009 | 16:46

    One last cheap shot: WoW Insider, if you’re going to require registration and logging in to comment, then at least moderate the trolls a little bit. There is no prize for emulating the official forums. ↩

    Oi, a thousand times this. I don’t even bother reading the comments anymore; I read the article and GTFO.

    But I agree with you on the comment issues – being told that the fate of your comment is nebulous is best is kinda irking. And frankly, I’m with you – Akismet does the job of guarding SES from spam just fine. :]

  2. Kestrel
    March 20, 2009 | 17:13

    Well, I did say it’s a cheap shot. But it really bugs the hell out of me when one of us is linked by WI, then we spend the next couple days (or more) dealing with their trolls! A bubbly fellow blogger just had to go through that, and it was all I could do to remain civil to more than a few commenters.

  3. Tzia
    March 20, 2009 | 17:28

    Repost, since the first one went screwy. And which I deleted this morning, just to clean stuff up. – Kes

    Okay, okay… I’ll go disable that lil ankle-biter. :) However, My blog is one that screens everything before it appears. I have yet to have anyone e-mail or comment that this is a problem. However, I don’t get nearly the traffic you do, Kes.

    I only ever had one disagreeable “comment” and I put the term comment in quotes very delibrately. And, since I’ve had the screens in place, its returned twice.

    The “comment” is a delibrate verbal attack on me, not as a blogger, or player; but as a person. I don’t want the profanity laced matter to show up on the blog. So, unfortunately, everyone goes through comment moderation. It only takes one bad apple to ruin the barrel.

    I even have a blog listing the change, which was annouced.

    http://havebow.blogspot.com/2008/10/policy-change-comments.html

  4. Kestrel
    March 20, 2009 | 18:08

    Tzia, I can certainly understand your position, and sympathize. It seems the asshats tend to target women over men (not overwhelmingly, but enough to be noticed). I do have a suggestion, though: Move to WordPress. The default for comments on WP is that the first comment by anyone is held for review by the blogger. Once that person passes muster, he or she can comment unimpeded (unless they somehow break spamming rules, such as multiple URLs).

    I used to have that default set, but removed it a few months ago. So far…so good. :) As I intimated though, at some point I’m sure I’ll get troll traffic. If it REALLY gets out of hand, there are tools to enable IP blocking and other more extreme measures.

     Finally, for you readers who haven’t discovered Tzia’s blog…she’s only about 50 miles away from me, which is nothing in Internet terms. Click that link and give her a read…you’ll be happy you did!

  5. Saresa
    March 20, 2009 | 18:08

    Sometimes blogs just go screwy too… no other real way of putting it. I have always used Akismet as basically my sole form of spam control (your first comment on my site has to be approved, but from that point on you should be fine). However, recently WP has been moderating some people’s comments even though they have commented before, regardless of the content of their comment. Needless to say, this really irks me!

    Saresa last blogged about Coming back to WoW

  6. Kestrel
    March 20, 2009 | 18:15

    For a long time, any time Matticus commented here, I had to approve it. It was frustrating to say the least. Of course, once I disabled the “first comment moderation” feature (I thought it was a WordPress default; is it really Akismet?), I haven’t had that issue…naturally. :)

  7. Tzia
    March 20, 2009 | 23:14

    And Kes? Grats on 80 :)

    Tzia last blogged about Searching for Answers

    • Kestrel
      March 21, 2009 | 09:06

      Heheh…thanks! :D Now to do a few hundred more quests and earn mucho oro!

  8. Aurik
    March 21, 2009 | 04:05

    I’m terrible for not commenting on things – but if I want to comment on something there is nothing which turns me off so much as one of the following:

    Blogspot Comments System (It’s horrible in so many ways…)
    Captcha Moderation
    Pop-up comment boxes
    ‘Required’ Login or particular ‘id’ type.

    Pre-emtive moderation as such doesn’t bother me too much, to be honest, making it harder for me to actually comment does. However, I totally agree that pre-emtive moderation of the type described really isn’t worth it :)

    /hug

    Aurik last blogged about Twilight Vanquisher Avarix

  9. Zahrah
    March 21, 2009 | 04:12

    Unless they are marked as spam my comments were marked for moderation if they hadn’t already had an approved comment, but that seems to fail every now and then, I’ve changed it now.. I didn’t realise it could be an issue, but I can understand, given the time zone differences the responsibility to some degree for whats on your blog i was trying to controlthe randoms who will post fake comments for linkages to gold selling sites and so on, not wth links in their comments, but the link attached to their name

    Zahrah last blogged about Maslow’s Hierarchy of Guilds

  10. Kestrel
    March 21, 2009 | 09:04

    Zahrah, that’s why I’m such a strong advocate of Akismet and Bad Behavior. They intercept 99.99+% (no exaggeration) of the bad stuff. Yes, there are other, similar addons out there (at least for WordPress; I think I read recently that Akismet was working on a Blogspot version), but these work for me.

    I also realize now I basically addressed two issues in my post, when I really only wanted to focus on one. :) That one, of course, is essentially the holding of comments for moderation. I strayed into the area of "prove you’re a human" which, while a concern of mine, is not the major issue here. (I’ve railed against that in other posts. *grin*)

  11. Syrana
    March 21, 2009 | 12:47

    It’s interesting because I’ve never had a comment show up on WoWInsider. I thought something was just broken and it hated me. :(

    I guess they just hate me…

    Yeah on our site (we use WordPress) the first time needs to be approved. It seems to work well for us, but we don’t have a lot of traffic though either. And Sideshow is (usually) pretty quick to respond to the emails alerting comments pending. :)

    Syrana last blogged about Best. Achievement. Ever.

  12. Matticus
    March 22, 2009 | 01:24

    Yes Kestrel, I noticed my blog held your comment. At least, I think it was yours.

    The moderation system on my blog is slightly more complex. Anyone’s allowed to comment. Administrators do NOT have to approve comments in order for them to show up. You don’t have to have a previously approved comment either. However, I have a preloaded list of certain keywords.

    If the default WP spam system notices a word or phrase in the comment on the list, it will hold it. (Words like poker or a variety of different drugs for example) Not only that, it matches words inside words. It will match inside words, so “press” will match “WordPress”.

    If the spam system notices two OR MORE links in the same comment, it will hold it.

    So don’t take it personally. 9 times out of 10 your comments will always show up. But every once in a while you’ll match a condition where it temporarily holds the comment.

    I counter this with the fact that everytime a comment is held for moderation, I get emailed. My email client is virtually open. Most comments get approved within 10 minutes when they appear.

    I don’t approve all comments that get posted manually because it’s simply unpractical for me to do so. I get many comments on posts and I would spend a lot more time then I’m willing to do just hitting “Allow” after “Allow”. So the current system has its quirks. But it does allow me to manage the best of both worlds and I’m sorry that it flags you every once in a while. Feel free to ding me if you notice my blog eats your comment and I can approve it immediately.

    Matticus last blogged about Yes You Can Multi-Box with Battle Net Account Merging

  13. Kestrel
    March 22, 2009 | 08:44

    I guess I’d like to know why you believe you need such a strong moderation program, when blogs much larger than yours don’t? I’m even more curious to know what, in my (rather benign, IIRC) comment got flagged as "offensive."

    I submit that if your system is blocking comments such as mine, it’s not working as intended. I.e., it’s broken.

    • Kestrel
      March 22, 2009 | 09:02

      Full disclosure (since Matt outted himself *grin*): Here’s the complete text of my held comment:

      I actually don’t mind the 2P set bonus for Holy Priests…I use PoH a LOT, and will be using a lot more (we rarely have 5 Holy Priests in the raid :p). However…the 4P bonus? /gag and /retch: USELESS for Holy Priests. If you’re casting that many PW:S, then it’s time to respec to Disc. Sorry, but throwing out our wimpy shield is NOT the best use of mana.

      Based on Matt’s comment above, I can see a couple possibilities for why this comment was held: First, a lot of colons, which might imply URLs. If that’s the reason, then I’ll reiterate that Matt’s moderation system is broken.

      Second, “/gag” and “/retch”–might be perceived as personal attacks. Of course, context is key. Any system based on trigger words that aren’t always “bad” words (there are only a handful of words I block here: one starts with “c” and another with “f”) is faulty, and the likelihood of false positives is extraordinarily high.

      My suggestion to Matt, if he hasn’t done so already, is to review the rules under which his moderation system operates, and really analyze whether loosening them up will result in fewer false positives, or an unacceptably greater amount of spam.

      Finally: Nothing in my original essay nor in any of my comments should be construed in any way, shape, or form as any kind of attack on Matt, whom I consider not only a colleague but a friend. That’s why I carefully avoided any direct references to his blog: My entire issue was with the process, not the person!

  14. Gnomeaggedon
    March 24, 2009 | 22:01

    Hey Kestrel,
    a few thoughts.

    Timely: This is a kicker for me… often when I commenting “I” feel that time & place is important (I know in reality it isn’t that important, but…”. Worse yet when leaving a comment on a blogger “I know” (previous contact in some form) and it gets held in moderation… a little bit of me dies right then… even knowing it is just a bit of code holding me up, not the human behind the blog (Used to happen with Krizzlybear’s old blog site).

    Default settings: A trap for new bloggers is not seeing their blog from the outside… I know I wasn’t aware of my blog’s comment behaviour until a helpful commenter told me off… So if you are new to it… make sure you visit your own blog while “logged out of administrator”. Leave yourself 3 comments and decide whether you would come back and comment.

    WP Bulk Processing: WordPress’ new bulk comment processing removes a lot of the old hassle too. select & bulk approve or delete. That of course is after all the other safe guards have been used.

    Gnomeaggedon last blogged about Noob or Inexperienced?

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