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		<title>By: WordPress versus Thesis: My Take &#124; Kestrel&#039;s Aerie at The WordPress GPL Debate</title>
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		<dc:creator>WordPress versus Thesis: My Take &#124; Kestrel&#039;s Aerie at The WordPress GPL Debate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 22:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Grimmtooth</title>
		<link>http://kestrelsaerie.com/2010/07/wordpress-versus-thesis-my-take/comment-page-1/#comment-4611</link>
		<dc:creator>Grimmtooth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 04:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactamundo; as I say, &quot;put up or shut up.&quot;  I&#039;m fairly confident in what will come of this in a legal environment, assuming how similar cases have gone.  

So Matt needs to stop posting and start filing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactamundo; as I say, &#8220;put up or shut up.&#8221;  I&#8217;m fairly confident in what will come of this in a legal environment, assuming how similar cases have gone.  </p>
<p>So Matt needs to stop posting and start filing.<br />
<span class="cluv">Grimmtooth recently posted&#8230;<a class="637c482f15 4611" href="http://grimmtooth.blogspot.com/2010/07/couple-of-follow-ups.html">A couple of follow-ups</a><span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip  4611" alt="My Profile" style="border:0" width="16" height="14" src="http://kestrelsaerie.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Kestrel</title>
		<link>http://kestrelsaerie.com/2010/07/wordpress-versus-thesis-my-take/comment-page-1/#comment-4610</link>
		<dc:creator>Kestrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 04:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt basically threatened Chris with a lawsuit today. And Ars Technica, in an article, welcomed that possibility, if only to clear up the very grey legal area of what, exactly, is a &quot;derivative product,&quot; under the GPL? 

Derivative software, unlike, say, derivatives of books, plays, or music, is not very well defined. Part of the reason is the lack of case law; the other part, sadly, is the ignorance of judges.

(IANAL, I just play one on the Interwebz.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt basically threatened Chris with a lawsuit today. And Ars Technica, in an article, welcomed that possibility, if only to clear up the very grey legal area of what, exactly, is a &#8220;derivative product,&#8221; under the GPL? </p>
<p>Derivative software, unlike, say, derivatives of books, plays, or music, is not very well defined. Part of the reason is the lack of case law; the other part, sadly, is the ignorance of judges.</p>
<p>(IANAL, I just play one on the Interwebz.)</p>
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		<title>By: Grimmtooth</title>
		<link>http://kestrelsaerie.com/2010/07/wordpress-versus-thesis-my-take/comment-page-1/#comment-4609</link>
		<dc:creator>Grimmtooth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 00:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m thinking if Matt had a case he&#039;d be able to take it to court - a REAL court, not the court of public opinion. I can&#039;t see it being right - he can&#039;t be proposing that WP flies at the whim of the author of PHP, after all. 

No, if it goes that route then anything written in Python, Perl, PHP, Rexx, and including our friend LUA - all have to follow the interpreter&#039;s license. Ain&#039;t gonna happen.  All other arguments aside, that&#039;s the way it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m thinking if Matt had a case he&#8217;d be able to take it to court &#8211; a REAL court, not the court of public opinion. I can&#8217;t see it being right &#8211; he can&#8217;t be proposing that WP flies at the whim of the author of PHP, after all. </p>
<p>No, if it goes that route then anything written in Python, Perl, PHP, Rexx, and including our friend LUA &#8211; all have to follow the interpreter&#8217;s license. Ain&#8217;t gonna happen.  All other arguments aside, that&#8217;s the way it is.<br />
<span class="cluv">Grimmtooth recently posted&#8230;<a class="0c20ecf1a4 4609" href="http://grimmtooth.blogspot.com/2010/07/couple-of-follow-ups.html">A couple of follow-ups</a><span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip  4609" alt="My Profile" style="border:0" width="16" height="14" src="http://kestrelsaerie.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Kestrel</title>
		<link>http://kestrelsaerie.com/2010/07/wordpress-versus-thesis-my-take/comment-page-1/#comment-4608</link>
		<dc:creator>Kestrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 00:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s pretty much how I understood the GPL, too. However, Matt Mullenweg (creator of WordPress) is arguing that any WP theme (including Thesis) is a &quot;derivative work&quot; under GPL terminology, and therefore must also subscribe to the GPL.

A fairly &lt;a href=&quot;http://technosailor.aaronbrazell.com/2010/07/14/impending-legal-precedent-for-gpl-licensing/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cogent argument is made here&lt;/a&gt;, and Mullenweg even has &lt;a href=&quot;http://wordpress.org/news/2009/07/themes-are-gpl-too/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;an opinion from the Software Freedom Law Institute&lt;/a&gt; (sounds pretty impressive, but I&#039;ve no idea of this organization&#039;s bona fides).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s pretty much how I understood the GPL, too. However, Matt Mullenweg (creator of WordPress) is arguing that any WP theme (including Thesis) is a &#8220;derivative work&#8221; under GPL terminology, and therefore must also subscribe to the GPL.</p>
<p>A fairly <a href="http://technosailor.aaronbrazell.com/2010/07/14/impending-legal-precedent-for-gpl-licensing/" rel="nofollow">cogent argument is made here</a>, and Mullenweg even has <a href="http://wordpress.org/news/2009/07/themes-are-gpl-too/" rel="nofollow">an opinion from the Software Freedom Law Institute</a> (sounds pretty impressive, but I&#8217;ve no idea of this organization&#8217;s bona fides).</p>
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		<title>By: Grimmtooth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grimmtooth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 23:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, I&#039;m not big on Thesis. Just taste, but I say so to emphasize that I have no reason to say this: unless Thesis incorporates bits of WP into it, it doesn&#039;t violate GPL.

Only an experienced PHP code monkey would know for sure, of course, but as I understand it, Thesis is just a theme.  In that respect, it is to WP as a script file is to, say, Python. 

Python is an open source programming language. Programs are &quot;script&quot; files (uncompiled text files) that do nothing until run through an interpreter (python.exe on Windows). 

I can create script files and sell them, close-source them via obfuscation programs, etc, and not violate the license that comes with Python. My script files are MINE, and I can distribute them however I wish. This has been made abundantly clear by many people, including the Grand Poobah himself, Guido Whom We All Adore. :)

So, from the cheap seats, I really think Thesis, and yourself, are OK with respect to the GPL. 

And yeah the rhetoric from open source and gpl freaks is pretty toxic at times. I suggest not reading those fora or whatever for a few months and let them move on to the next bright and shiny object.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, I&#8217;m not big on Thesis. Just taste, but I say so to emphasize that I have no reason to say this: unless Thesis incorporates bits of WP into it, it doesn&#8217;t violate GPL.</p>
<p>Only an experienced PHP code monkey would know for sure, of course, but as I understand it, Thesis is just a theme.  In that respect, it is to WP as a script file is to, say, Python. </p>
<p>Python is an open source programming language. Programs are &#8220;script&#8221; files (uncompiled text files) that do nothing until run through an interpreter (python.exe on Windows). </p>
<p>I can create script files and sell them, close-source them via obfuscation programs, etc, and not violate the license that comes with Python. My script files are MINE, and I can distribute them however I wish. This has been made abundantly clear by many people, including the Grand Poobah himself, Guido Whom We All Adore. <img src='http://kestrelsaerie.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>So, from the cheap seats, I really think Thesis, and yourself, are OK with respect to the GPL. </p>
<p>And yeah the rhetoric from open source and gpl freaks is pretty toxic at times. I suggest not reading those fora or whatever for a few months and let them move on to the next bright and shiny object.</p>
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